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| Subject | Povidone Pill Cure | Reply | ||
| Posted by | placebo (irritable and cranky) | |||
| Posted on | 11-17-00 14:02 | |||
This is for the dummies, to make it easier to find. Povidone Cure!!! Ok, so here is the detailed story of how this developed... SWIM was whipping up 2 batches of pills side by side only difference being one was started as per lesser cure, methanol pulls and then evap. The other one having been subjected to a soak in turps overnight, by a wannabee helpful friend, mistaking it for denatured EtOH. Turps was decanted off in the morning and then methanol dumped straight in without drying the pill mass first, and normal MeOH pulls commenced. After the second batch had the methanol evaporated the difference between the two was noted. The First (no-turps)batchs crude pfed was noted to be it's usual great rubbery blob (literally, it even smells like burning plastic upon heat) that can be expected at this stage, due to the severity of crap in Oz Sudafed (pov, MCC, waxes, polymers, crap). The second (pre-soak turps) batch was noted to be very white pfed already at a stage of cleanliness that would normally only be achieved after several toluene and acetone washes at least. (Huge difference in it's form, 1, looking like a plastic putty, and 2, looking like the texture of fine salt. So as SWIM started each one (still kept seperate for interests sake) on the heat for the first of each ones toluene washes. I observed again the large contrast btween the two and pondered what could have caused this dramatic difference between the two. The answer was simple, everything was done as usual to both except that the second one had a pre-soak overnight in Turps. So having been amazed by its crap absorbing ability, I thought I would try and verify my suspicions by doing a Turps wash on the 2nd batch and see if it will turn that plastic mess into something resembling the 1st one or at least clean it better then toluene does. So first batch just continued along with regular "Lesser Cure" but it was noticed straight away that far less toluene and acetone washes would be required, possibly just one or two good acetone washes. At least one wash is required as Turps leaves a residue that never dries, and must be washed off. Upon drying, pfed powder/crystals looked as clean as any. SWIM was impressed. But still, mostly amazed at the simple yet effective cheap-ass OTC solvent that has always been ignored due to it's lack of usefullness compared to most other solvents... Shocked enough that he wasn't convinced yet and set about trying to verify it's suspected ability. I always assumed it could probably be used as NP if one were desperate, but never stooped so low as to ever use any of that nasty, smelly, dirty, shit. It is very OTC and cheap and will cut down the solvents required and used in previous methods. So in his attempt to test his hypothesis he quickly poured off the toluene that he had added earlier, as he did not want this fucking plastic glob getting any headstart and throwing out my assesment of the Turps. He poured a liberal amount of Turpentine into the vessel and with a spatula he started to break up the plastic glob with a spatula and mix it around in order to allow all the pfed ample contact with the solvent. I increased heat and kept breaking it up, I don't think I reached boiling point, but did get it hot enough to get a few whisps of smoke off the Turpentine. After about 5 mins I then took off heat and left to cool and settle. When pfed powder had all settled, the turpentine was decanted off leaving very clean pfed, maybe not as clean as the other batch, but certainly much cleaner then several toluene washes would have achieved and OTC and cheap to boot. An acetone wash or 2 followed to remove traces of turpentine and any crap remaining and powder left to dry. ...[So after such rigorous, stringent, scientific, analytical chemistry testing it was confirmed to indeed be turpentine that was having a impressive ability to remove the troublesome bi-polar polymers and crap that plague the Aussie W&L Sudafeds. After SWIM had finished his chem lesson, he saw no reason not to put the two batches together from here on. So they were combined. For those who haven't seen this shit before and don't understand what all the fuss is about. Think yourself lucky....for now, that you haven't experienced these additives, and be thankful that your Aussie bu-ddies, have developed procedures to deal with this crap before you even heard of it. Study hard though, because rest assured your pills will get worse, not if, but when? Background info... The problem... The polymers must be dealt with prior to even thinking about an A/B as it simply will not proceed, will not seperate, and the NP and H2O become one milk white homogenous mix. Very nasty! Conspiracy theorist's believe it was specificly added to pills to fuck an A/B extraction. I don't know but most attempts to extract these fuckers before "Cure" ended in little more then frustration, and a waste of pills. It is these polymers that brought us to the current use of toluene and acetone washes (ala Lesser Cure/mania) to remove them and waxes. All due to research by CHEMMAN. He logically looked into the properties these additives displayed. Harder to do when it is not required to list non-active ingredients here! Which leads me to a old post of his I remember. He was saying that he came about the protocol for "The Cure" by testing and selecting NP solvents for their ability in dissolving the polymers in question. Now if I recall correctly, he came up with the toluene and acetone washes, as the best solvents he tested, but stated that someone should try with Xylene too as it may be better and any other higher boiling point, longer chain hydro-carbons as he suspected that was the key. I think he was onto something there, and I like anybody else who saw it at the time, forgot it or swept it aside faster then Unob in bed.. So, that was my first surprise, very nice, but the big one to come. 1. Turpentine is much more effective in dissolving polymers and crap then previous methods! Now usually SWIM A/B's and removes povidone after pfed washes have finished, and uses freebase. But thought he'd do something different that particular day and remove it after reaction in final A/B. Must have been something in the air, or his feminine side showing. Just because! ok! ...and so proceeded with his experimental B/B reaction (balloon bottle). As per SWIM's usual RP/I2 display of chemical bastardry. After reaction, post-rx mix is filtered and then toluene added and Basified. Now SWIM is expecting to see that beautiful brown shit appear and form a nice pain in the ass at the interface and possibly holding meth. But there was nothing, it was a clean interface with no emulsion or crap. Because SWIM doesn't usually leave povidone removal till after reaction, the appearance of the nice, clean seperation was nearly overlooked as normal. But when SWIM did realise, oh my god! Wunderbar! So obviously the turpentine is dissolving the povidone as well and that was the big surprise. So now that we have this new knowledge, the question is, "How should we apply it?" It could be done as in 1st batch and pills soaked overnight. Or as with batch 2 and incorporated as a hot wash after methanol pulls. In my opinion it would be much better to soak the pills overnight. As it is easy, foolproof (brave words), we use it cold and therefore cut smells to almost nothing. ....and not really proven, but in my experience above, it seemed to be a little cleaner that way as well, but I may be wrong. 2. It seems as though it dissolves Povidone as well!! Allow me to go off on a related tangent... Results, just FYI. The reaction described yeilded, after a ridiculous number of re-crystallisations, (bored/excited/excessive quality testing) a product so fucking clean, SWIM is still ogling them. I only wish I had a digital camera to capture the moment. Final re-xtalisation was done with DH2O heated to dissolve all meth, then left at room temp by sunny window for the day. Upon light acetone wash, it revealed crystals, completely translucent and of a shape I have heard about but never seen. They were dead flat, rectangles resembling window panes, big enough and clear enough to look through and complete with geometric patterns in the "glass pane", resembling Union Jack type pattern. The pile of crystals on glass plate is mostly all clear like glass, and under lights resembles a treasure of diamonds shimmering and dancing in the lights. It is quite impressive, I am going to masturbate now. p.s.I am sure this should be cheap and easy to duplicate and verify. So get to it bees. THE END. Wanna do the rumpy pump? |
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| Subject | Re: Povidone Pill Cure  |
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| Posted by | ANONYM (Hive Bee) | |||
| Posted on | 11-17-00 16:39 | |||
In reply to: No, This is for Placebo, his ego so big that he repost the same
boring post and the same unsubstantiated methods. |
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| Subject | Re: Povidone Pill Cure |
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| Posted by | CareBear (Hive Bee) | |||
| Posted on | 11-17-00 16:50 | |||
Well, While I feel the ceebo could be a little nicer at times, His asshole-ness is why everyone knows him. So, If something make syou popular than keep it up. Right? CB "resident expert over freakish body piercings" - Unobtainium |
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| Subject | Re: Povidone Pill Cure |
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| Posted by | placebo (irritable and cranky) | |||
| Posted on | 11-17-00 18:09 | |||
No it's for the dummies, because I have already seen about 5 posts and received PM's asking how to get rid of the shit. If it's in the title of the thread maybe they will see it, because they're obviously not using the fucking search engine! Oh and ANONYM, get fucked you mingey cunt! Wanna do the rumpy pump? |
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| Subject | Re: Povidone Pill Cure |
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| Posted by | lowtech (Hive Bee) | |||
| Posted on | 11-21-00 04:34 | |||
Before I friend tries to reproduce/refine this should I tell him you have new information. There was a PM. -lt My statement; Academic - adj:theoretical without having practical useHerding cats. |
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| Subject | Re: Povidone Pill Cure |
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| Posted by | placebo (irritable and cranky) | |||
| Posted on | 11-21-00 15:16 | |||
Just soak the damn pills in turps overnight then pour it off and proceed with your EtOH or MeOH extractions! It's not that fucking difficult to understand is it? Let's fuck! |
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| Subject | Re: Povidone Pill Cure |
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| Posted by | lowtech (Hive Bee) | |||
| Posted on | 11-21-00 17:40 | |||
[qoute]Just soak the damn pills in turps overnight then pour it off and proceed with your EtOH or MeOH extractions! It's not that fucking difficult to understand is it? [/quote] I just asked if there was anything new cause posting was down. I read it and it looks ok. If you don't like a civil question then fuk U too. -lt My statement; Academic - adj:theoretical without having practical useHerding cats. |
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| Subject | Re: Povidone Pill Cure |
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| Posted by | SuperAssman (Hive Bee) | |||
| Posted on | 11-22-00 21:22 | |||
Anonym, the only thing that is "unsubstantiated" is any claims you may make to having a triple digit IQ. Did you actually read the first thread? Placebo made some observations, speculated a theory and asked fellow researchers to try and repeat the experiment in order to verify his results. This was done and his method was substantiated. D.E.A (Drug Enthusiasts Anonymous) |
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| Subject | Re: Povidone Pill Cure |
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| Posted by | bizarium (Hive Bee) | |||
| Posted on | 11-25-00 04:06 | |||
swim played w/ this turps; was surprised after 12 hrs. in crushed pills, turps still looking clean. Perhaps there was no povidone; perhaps it dissolves clear? Would the turps have any benifit in pills without povidone?.After meoh pulls and several non polar washes; swim still had to A/B. It was not low-odor turps. My fear is that some of the bizarre new ingrediants are turp-proof. I'll list them later. Some are new. Povidone wasn't listed, but swim tried turps anyway, thinking it might have value with other waxy shit and polymers. I'm guessing povidone may be the only value of the turp wash, which, of course, makes it worthwhile. swim found otc MeOh 98% plus. Question: will a epsom treatment improve on this? Is it worth the trouble? |
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| Subject | Re: Povidone Pill Cure |
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| Posted by | lowtech (Hive Bee) | |||
| Posted on | 11-25-00 04:28 | |||
In reply to:
My statement; Academic - adj:theoretical without having practical useHerding cats. |
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| Subject | Re: Povidone Pill Cure |
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| Posted by | Jacked (Ancient Alchemist Delux) | |||
| Posted on | 11-25-00 05:01 | |||
In reply to:
Have No Problems, only Solutions |
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| Subject | Re: Povidone Pill Cure |
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| Posted by | SuperAssman (Hive Bee) | |||
| Posted on | 11-25-00 13:11 | |||
in reply to: ________________________________________ swim found otc MeOh 98% plus. Question: will a epsom treatment improve on this? Is it worth the trouble? ________________________________________ SWIMs'experiments with drying meoh with mgso4 always resulted in epsoms contamination regardless of how careful he was to totally dry his epsoms and stand and filter out all solids. Some MgSO4 always stays dissolved in there and contaminates the product. Only a real problem if contamination is heavy as it will cause your extracted product to suck H2O from air. A tiny bit of contamination may be useful to commercial producers of gear as it vapourises very nicely when smoked and doesn't taste nasty, and is not easily detected in a marquis test unless you know what to look for. Non-Indicating Silica Gel would seem to bee a better option. D.E.A (Drug Enthusiasts Anonymous) |
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| Subject | Re: Povidone Pill Cure |
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| Posted by | lowtech (Hive Bee) | |||
| Posted on | 11-25-00 19:42 | |||
Kind of thought so. At this time the Toons around here have 4 types; Type 1, Type 2, and so on. They are not saying much 'till the testing is done. I asked if taste test was being done - they said yes. They wanted a melting point test instrument and I told them I ain't made of money and go look up a lowtech method. Shit, next they will want an NMR. -lt My statement; Academic - adj:theoretical without having practical useHerding cats. |
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